First, two things that appear to lend credence to our speculative conspiracy theory (note: which is all it is I feel: a speculative theory that so far just seems more plausible than other available ones. Far too many info gaps to ascertain the truth :)
One: Very early in the aftermath, Najib ‘leaps’ to Anwar’s ‘defence.’ The tone
Two: Yesterday, Abdullah declares that Musa and Gani are off Anwar’s prosecution case. A good move to be sure, and one that could be read to being in line with the conflict between them we described.
One could potentially interpret these as a lack of faith in the idea that Anwar is guilty.
On this count, let us go back to the question of evidence.
As has been noted, given the circumstances and background, one needs a full-on video to win in the court of public opinion (funny point someone mentioned: why hasn’t our noisy friend Chua Soi Lek not been charged with having oral sex, haha).
The fat lady ain’t sung yet, but from what little I can calculate and guesstimate, if this video did exist, it would have surfaced by now.
I take this obsession with DNA to be a good sign; a relfection that those trying to nail Anwar have precious little to cling to.
I skimmed with great interest the literature surrounding DNA evidence – how it can be planted (think ‘98), authenticity, the mechanics of what how DNA might be used as ‘proof,’ etc etc.
I was reminded as well of the swearing on the Quran business. Umno at the time took every opportunity to say things like “See, he’s not willing to swear on the Quran” (even when Islamic laws says that that’s not the way to go) and now “See, he refuses to take a DNA test” (even though there’s no legal obligation to do so, and there’s plenty of reasons from the past to be suspicious).
Jumping desperately on whatever tiny little plot of land they can come across?
I was speculating (again, just speculations) on the idea of evidence and Pas as well. Frequent readers know that I defend them very often, and with good reason.
In this latest season, here were some thoughts: perhaps someone told Pas that there was in fact damning evidence, of a video scale. That sort of thing would certainly have given them pause for thought – riding that out can’t have been thought to be easy.
I remembered noting with interest that a number of Pas top guns, if I recall correctly, came out with firm rejections of overtures towards teaming up with Umno the very same day that Anwar was released (actually, I could be wrong about this – I’m open to correction).
So, one possible scenario is that now that it’s increasingly likely that the cops don’t have anything on Anwar, any chances of hooking up are fast disappearing, and Abdullah is now once again grasping at straws.
Possible, yes. True, who knows?
There is a BIG VERY BIG difference if Pakatan and DSAI comes to power vs the current BeeEnd power structure and you should highlight it in your blog.
If DSAI ever comes to power, people should not worry, because DAP and PAS comes to power also as EQUAL partners. Lim Kit Siang and Tok Guru will not just let DSAI do as he wants.
This will truly be a check and balance govt. Likewise , PAS cant do as they want without angering DAP and also DAP cant do as they want without angering PAS. Because if any of the 3 walks out of Pakatan, Pakatan Rakyat will fall as the Govt. So , all 3 parties work together!
That is the difference vs DSAI 10 years ago when he was in BeeEnd.
In BeeEnd, everybody knows Badawi and Najis can do as they want. UMNO rules BeeEnd as Superme King. All the rest, MCA, MIC, Gerakan etc etc etc are just running dogs! That is why you have corruption galore!
That is the real difference between a Pakatan Rakyat Federal Govt and the current corrupt govt we have.
I am sick of this DNA shit.
DNA, once profiled, it’s a scientific profile. It’s always there, be it in paper or in electronic media. You check collected evidence to see if it fits the profile. Simple as that. You don’t keep on asking people for blood to ascertain the blood type.
Why the fucking need to ask for DNA again??!! If it’s to be shoved up a golden ass or to be sprayed on mattress as planted evidences, that I can understand.
If “one needs a full-on video to win in the court of public opinion” as you say, then the court of public opinion as reflected in the blogosphere has failed miserably to be anything more than sound and fury.
As bloggers, we should only be both defendant and prosecutor – odd as it may sound. If we choose to play the judge and prejudge your subject matter (e.g. DPM or Anwar’s guilt and innocence), then we are biased judges.
That is why I think bloggers should be less opinionated based on circumstantial evidence and more analytical in repeating the questions that a prosecutor and defendant’s lawyer would ask. Let the jury of readers be the judge, not ourselves.
Then we can hopefully have a court of public opinion that is superior and more fair than the existing judiciary.
“See, he’s not willing to swear on the Quran” (even when Islamic laws says that that’s not the way to go) and now “See, he refuses to take a DNA test”
guess will try this:
WHY NO PICs. TAKEN?
True true..and more true. They are grasping for straws and they ar failing so badly.
Good luck to them, they have lost long time ago (for me). God save malaysia and malaysians (BN-ites excluded!)
These BN orang utangs are repeatingly telling us lies and hoping it will become the truth. High hopes! you SOB we are more intelligent than you thought.
Your theory is one of the factors why some PAS leaders are talking to UMNO, just like their counterparts at UMNO, some PAS leaders are on their way out, this is their last grasp on power by ‘Selling’ and ‘Bartering’ Malaysia!
http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2008/07/pendedahan-dalang2-yang-hendak-membawa.html
Hasilox :-
“Why the fucking need to ask for DNA again??!! If it’s to be shoved up a golden ass or to be sprayed on mattress as planted evidences, that I can understand.”
To put it crudely, without going into scientific details, yes, that could be why they need a “fresh” sample from Anwar.
An independent forensic expert examination could detect if some Anwar “semen” which magically appeared on e.g. Saiful’s underwear came from 10 year old material. Even if stored under liquid nitrogen, it may degrade.
It is very important that Anwar’s lawyers insist that the custody of any blood sample taken from Anwar must be indendent and verifiable.
Internationalise the investigation if necessary.
Respected forensic experts from other Commonwealth countries should be given access to monitor the investigation.
This issue is much, much more than just Anwar Ibrahim. The rule of law in this country is under grave threat from within.
Why do you need to take my [DNA] picture
When it’s me you really want to capture
Afterall you already have my earlier feature
Anything excessive done will then make you a creature
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 210708
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 21st July 2008.
http://www.malaysiawaves.com/2008/07/bn-is-aiming-for-another-taman-medan.html
BN Is Aiming For Another Taman Medan Incident to Break Pakatan Rakyat
I call upon all Pakatan Rakyat leaders to be careful of active attempts made by UMNO/BN to break Pakatan Rakyat apart.
It has been a along standing policy of UMNO/BN that there must never be a competition to Barisan Nasional. In other words, to BN, there must never be an alternative allowed to exist along with Barisan Nasional.
My sources from inside Ministry of Home Affairs have informed me that such program has been planned and adopted by them after their loss in PRU12. Their plan now is to aim at weaknesses of Pakatan Rakyat and try to break Pakatan Rakyat apart.
I am referring to the Loh Gwo Burne incident being roughed. A good account from someone who attended the ceremony can be read here. The part that I want to highlight is the fact that the police remained quiet and passive and allowed a bunch of demonstrators commits a crime under the Sedition Act.
The biggest question of them all is why does a group of Indians wants to protest a “surau” when the “surau” is approved by both State and Local government (under the Desa Mentari second phase development plan). Furthermore, the small demonstration was conducted during the “pecah tanah” ceremony, a clear act of provocation. They purposely disturb the events by blowing whitsels and shouting slogans. They created a very unhealthy and dangerous atmosphere.
They could have easily protested using the proper channel and the issue would have been considered. Yet, until the day of the ceremony, there was not a single note of protest submitted to the government formally. But, out of no where, a group of protestors appeared on that day and disturbed a peaceful and harmonious program.
The police, on the other hand, who was present on that day, chose to remain quiet and allowed the protestors to commit a clear crime under the Sedition Act. They let the protestors do their thing without interference.
From the eye-witness report, the protestors are mainly of the Indian race. Why I highlight this issue, is because it reminded me of the Taman Medan incident. I was in Taman Medan only hours after the unfortunate incident started and I got to see ambulances coming in and out of Taman Medan.
From what has been reported, it was a small group of Indians that provoked the Taman Medan incident. But, it was other Indians that got hacked and injured. The original provocateurs were never to be seen during the entire incident. One fatality involved a father of two who stopped at the fruit stall to buy some fruits for his children. He was a good citizen and has never been involved in any acts of provocation. In fact, he just came back from his second job as a bell boy in a hotel.
From the report above, I can say it contains striking similarities with the first Taman Medan incident. Furthermore, the mode of provocation is strikingly similar. The motive is also similar as well.
Except in the first Taman Medan incident, the motive was to fire up Malay sentiment feelings because UMNO lost the Malay ground in 1999. Now, another Taman Medan will result in UMNO maintaining their Malay ground plus they will be able to punish the Indians for not voting them in the last election.
But the biggest prize will be their ability to break Pakatan Rakyat because a racial riot in a Pakatan State is the best excuse to show that Pakatan Rakyat is a failure.
Low Gwo Burne is An Imbecile
I’d also like to comment on the Kelana Jaya MP. First of all, I’d like to congratulate Nik Nazmi’s assistant for giving Low a lesson he highly deserve.
Secondly, if Low was a competent MP he would know that encouraging a protest during a ceremony like this is tantamount to sedition. It’s sensitive and can lead to racial and religious tension. But unfortunately he is an imbecile.
Third, the entire ceremony was discussed in the local Pakatan Rakyat meeting which even Hannah Yeoh was present and it was approved. Why then would Low Gwo Burne didn’t express his reservation then?
Fourth, Low was easily duped into serving the interest of Barisan Nasional and UMNO and an imbecile like him should not represent PR in the parliament. Why does Anwar Ibrahim picked him as MP for Kelana Jaya, one can only wonder.
Fifth, Low Gwo Burne is also trying to show that he repesents the residents. Then, what about the Muslim residents who pushed for this surau? Aren’t they as much of a resident as the others? How can Low be so stupid?
Sixth, Low is not even sure if the demonstrators are true residents of the area
Seventh, Low himself admits that he doesn’t know who the developer first. Maybe, if he had checked, he will notice that the “surau” is part of a complete plan for Desa Mentari Phase II Development Plan, where areas for playgrounds have been allocated as well.
Clearly, Low is an imbecile and he belongs in a zoo. Making him a candidate is one of the big mistakes Anwar Ibrahim had ever done.
UMNO/BN Is Desperate to Break Pakatan Rakyat
I call upon all Pakatan Rakyat leaders to be careful of active attempts made by UMNO/BN to break Pakatan Rakyat apart.
It has been a along standing policy of UMNO/BN that there must never be a competition to Barisan Nasional. In other words, to BN, there must never be an alternative allowed to exist along with Barisan Nasional.
My sources from inside Ministry of Home Affairs have informed me that such program has been planned and adopted by them after their loss in PRU12. Their plan now is to aim at weaknesses of Pakatan Rakyat and try to break Pakatan Rakyat apart.
They saw that in 2004, after Barisan Alternatif was broken up, they managed to win handsomely and the people will shift back to them in large numbers. This is because voters will vote for stability first, then other issues.
In fact, I dare argue that Chinese and Indian did not vote for change in PRU12. They voted as a sign of protest but their numbers were too great and it resulted in the fall of BN in so many seats.
So, Pakatan Rakyat made the right move going forward when they formed the Pakatan Rakyat after the PRU12 victory.
Now, UMNO/BN is facing a viable alternative in the form of Pakatan Rakyat. Why do I say Pakatan Rakyat is viable:
1. Pakatan Rakyat has a viable candidate for Prime Minister in the form of Anwar Ibrahim. He is a much better candidate than Pak Lah or Najib or Hishamuddin or all of the three put together.
2. Pakatan Rakyat parties represents all three main ethnic group.
3. Pakatan Rakyat has a party that represents Islam, the biggest religion in the country and the religion of the constitution
4. Pakatan Rakyat is a coalition of political parties just like Barisan Nasional
5. Pakatan Rakyat has faces and figures that people like for example Tn Guru Nik Aziz, Lim Guan Eng. These figures are proven to be tested and committed to the cause.
6. Pakatan Rakyat has a much better policies to them people as compared to Barisan Nasional
PLUS, in the last 4 months, UMNO, MCA, MIC, Gerakan has seens their ranks dwindle to record numbers. In States where BN lost, many of their Cawangan cannot organize meetings because not enough coroum. In other words, in the span of 4 months after elections, people are leaving them in droves.
They need to put this trend to a stop very fast. The best way to do it in such a short time is to break Pakatan Rakyat.
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Tulang Besi
Guys, have more faith with PAS. Those people have more principles than all of us add together. Believe me? Lets Wait and see. Lets trust them. They have not betrayed us yet.
Did u guys read that DR M says gomen not so stupid to charge DSAI again without Evidence. Ha, Ha.. with the stream of events coming out Dr M is dead wrong. Those involved are naturally stupid or plain stupid or worst still trying to be more stupid. I can’t really add to that.
DSAI to PAS: “I have with me about 25 comfirmed crossover. These are not enough, we need another 10 to 20, this is where you PAS come in. By hook or by crook, from front or from rear get into UMNO to get them, OK?” PAS to DSAI, ” Laud and clear. Operation Crossover underway. We are ’shaking’ their hands the 3rd and final times. This will be it BeEnd”
Tulang Besi,
It is possible what you said is true although it does sound rather strongly racist and BN type.
It is possible, Low Gwo Burne lacks the intellectual capacity for politics. I am more critical of my own people in this regard than you.
But in all fairness, I’d like to hear the other side of the story.
Then I’d see whether to twack Gwo Burne on the head.
I
Or yours.
Politicians love to play the musical bed with strange bedfellows
They don’t care too much as long as they fit inside as follows:
There will be unequal sharing of the birdnests as with the swallows
They must be able to float even when the water level in bed is shallow
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 210708
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 21st July 2008.
“Why the fucking need to ask for DNA again??!!”
Because Anwar is a “changed man” now… and some people think the change is so profound that it has occurred on a genetic level ;)
ha2 nat, you got it.
why someone caught with his pants down having a jolly good time with oral sex is not charged.
or may be they will push thru a law to say that oral sex is good for health and therefore no longer an offence. and DNA bill to be pushed forward for no reason.
what a great BN government we have. think we are all idiots.
Conspiracy and conspiracy and the fight to the finish. Who suffers, the rakyat.
Times Are Bad, Politicians Are Bad And The Government Is Bad
These are all biased comments. Hey, I’m fine with that. We all have our own opinions. But please don’t claim yourselves of being objective and bias-free.
And while we’re on this, I want you all to really think if you really2 care about the poor soul of Altantuya. Or are you all making so much noise because it would supposedly implicate leaders of the present government? You should be ashamed of yourselves for taking advantage of her mishap just because you want to pin it on the government via desperate baseless allegations.
As responsible citizens, we wish to see justice being upheld in our very own country, a country that we can be proud of. Some people are out of their minds to think that the case is being taken advantage of by investigating the true suspects.
A murden case of this MAGNITUDE involving KILLING with C4, is ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS AND WARRANTS URGENT ARREST OF THE SUSPECTS FOR INVESTIGTION. With so much information provided by the Rakyat, the authorities chose to ignore instead of following the lead. The STUTORY DECLARATION is a serious statement not political!!!!!!! Hellooooooooooo.
May we urge the AUTHORITIES ACT RESPECTFULLY, PROFESSIONALLY, SINCERELY AND EFFICIENTLY to ENABLE THE COUNTRY TO MOVE ON. There is so much to be done for the people which you politicians claim to protect and stand for!
Old timer,
Pls read some of the responses from Low Gwo Burne at the same link!
U should to twack Tulang Besi on the head for his jumping the gun, impulsive & single-sided write-up.
In time like this these are the actions that M’sians really DON’T need.