update 12.30pm, 30/6: It appears that with extremely heavy heart and reluctance, I must add YAB Lim Guan Eng to the list of people to whom the post below applies :( I’m shocked that someone who has suffered terribly from malicious false charges himself could toe the “leave it to the police” line. I’ve always held him in high regard, this is unbecoming :( Not to sow any sort of discord, but his dad is much more on the ball, seems like.
I’d like to respond to some things written by Wong Chun Wai:
It’s best that this matter be left to the police. Let’s watch from the sidelines.
and my old friend Rocky:
My advice (to those who aren’t yet fanatics) is still the same: let the police investigate the claim. If it goes beyond that, let the courts hear the case.
After all, don’t we have a more credible judiciary now? A more credible police force? A more courageous civil society movement? A freer and more democratic Press under Prime Minister Badawi.
Go ahead and call me typical of such ‘fanatics,’ but I think these comments deserve some thinking through. I say these based on the merit of the comments, and not with anything personal towards the commentors, at least one of which I have only friendly thoughts for.
I completely understand and sympathise with their main gist: let’s not start taking to the streets right now and burn tires.
Fine. Agreed. Reasonable.
I hate rash behaviour, and I have ever believed that reason must prevail above fury.
I want, however, to examine some ideas contained in the words from a rational standpoint:
Watch from the sidelines, because we have faith in a more credible police and judiciary?
I hope you will understand if I quote personal experience in not putting a whole damn lot of stock in either the police force or the judiciary.
Let’s start an examination of who makes up our judiciary and police force, what is the calibre of those upon whom that credibility is based?
Current Attorney General: Abdul Gani Patail – the man who prosecuted the case against Anwar Ibrahim in 1998.
Current Inspector General of Police: Musa Hassan – the investigating officer in the case against Anwar Ibrahim in 1998.
Let’s not forget that the majority of sitting judges presently were appointed by ex Chief Justice Ahmad Fairuz, of Lingam tape fame.
You want us to sit back and let these buffoons find the “truth?” The same police force that just forced detainees to perform oral sex on one another? The same prosecution team that kept changing the dates of Anwar’s first alleged sodomy case? The same court that refused to throw out the testimony of Azizan Abu Bakar, no matter how many times he changed his story in court?
No, I don’t think that’s exactly the answer.
We shouldn’t take justice into our own hands, that’s the last thing I’m saying here.
What I’m saying is that we cannot leave it to institutions whose integrity has been systematically compromised, corrupted, and crushed under decades of executive interference, to determine what is true and just.
Let us with discerning consciences seek the truth, and remain ever vigilant.
(For more incisive writings, try Malik Imtiaz and Li Tsin)
Although it’s cliche, let’s not forget what happens if we fail to stand up for justice whenever and wherever it is compromised:
“When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.”
- Martin Niemoller
Power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely . Only the change of government to PR may change all the rotten apples who are now sitting in the police force , AG Chambers and Judiciary .
“It looks like me, sounds like me, moves like me but but it isn’t me”
“I forgot. It happen so long ago”
“Standby IGP. Don’t go amok again and punch someone in the eye.”
“Standby driver. Bring another pickup to carry another bigger mattress to court”
From: Patek1472.wordpress.com
i agree with you. We cannot leave this to the police or the judiciary.
They are both corrupt !!
Time has come for the BN Govt to Fall ! They are paying for their sins through their Karma now
This could also be anwar’s strategy to create a sense of deep and terrible crisis in the country. Yes, he is not a sodomite and I don’t believe he is either and he knew that people do not believe it either. So create one so he could play victim. He is caught in the middle. he does not actually have the ‘numbers’ to form the government and no way he could face the public and have an honest and serious debate with Shabery Cheek on the fuel price. So rather than having to face questions from the public when the time comes to deliver on his promise which would surely undermine his credibility, create a crisis now and make himself the victim: that he has doubt of his safety and he needs the safe sanctuary of a foreign embassy. Give me a break! Badawi, despite his weakness, is not Mugabe. In fact, we are witnessing unprecedented level of freedom and openness in the country. This is probably just Anwar’s way to maintain public distrust towards the government.
I believe no member of the government would want to repeat 1998. In fact, i don’t think anybody in the current government believe that he was a sodomite when he had to face the allegation in 1998. 1998 was Mahathir’s people’s doing.
Today’s government knows that this kind of allegation will not stand in the court of public opinion. They know that the public will hate them more if they do this. Yes, Anwar is a political threat to them, but not threatening enough for them to lose power on 16 September. At the time when the public is starting to question the capability and on the promise of the PR in the 5 state governments, this kind of crisis is the last thing a BN government would want.
Anwar has endured worse treatment in 1998 and he can afford to create such sense of treatment today. It is the sense of bad treatment that earns him public admiration and pity. So I wont’ rule out the possibility that this is Anwar’s own doing.
Come on. Anwar is a master politician who knows how to play his card well!
more shit coming out from their arse hole. Sure going to stink the whole country. what more are they going to come out with. malaysians, now you are seeing more rubbish from the people who rules us. you all should have been more united at the 12th.GE. Now, even if you want to do the rightful. you got to wait a few more years
I fully agree with you Nat. People like Wong Chun Wai talked about change after GE 12 but they just don’t know what needs changing and how. Simply unbelievable for someone who had witnessed what the police has been doing to say that we, the public, should just let the current police do their job. Did you not know about what the police said after they got all the Hindraf demonstrators into the compound of Batu Cave and they fired tear gas and sprayed acid laced water from water cannons at the demonstrators?
Well,
Rocky and Wun Chair are the media Patail and Musa Hassan. We know them very well. They were in the thick of the earlier conspiracy when both worked for BN media. One is still around to feed us hogwash thinking that we will buy their bunkum. Shit! Go and preach to your children.
“Happy days are here again!” We celebrate either the downfall of these corrupted BN assholes government or the rise of a new transparent government. Let us wait and see. Truth will eventually appear and justice will prevail….baboons like the IGP and AG may look impressive to the crooked government but, simply do not have the intelligence and substance to deceive GOD.
I guess the only way they could successfully prosecute him is to show the evidence fully, including his DNA sample for forensic DNA profiling (that is the most difficult part). If they failed to produce this evidence, they could no way throw him into jail for that accusation.
In conclusion, i am seriously in doubt with the claim. I think this is totally rubbish!!! I have little faith in current institutions to do the justice for Anwar if this is brought to the court.
If indeed the police and judiciary are credible, then they should understand that justice works both ways. Let no one forget that or try to sidestep the issue.
Investigate the sodomy claim by all means. If nothing is proven from the purported ‘victim’s’ statutory declaration, they should then trace and follow the paper trail all the way back to the point of origin. Find out who is behind the fiasco. Let nothing get in their way, even if it means going to the very top of the hierarchy.
Can they, will they, do this?
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Let us not forget also that this is the police force whose young officer raped a 17-year old girl in the police station & will only face DISCIPLINARY ACTION for it (WTF isn’t rape a crime punishable by jail & rotan?!!!).
I can’t believe that Wong Chun Wai is naive enough to have unwaivering faith in these legalised thugs.
Nat please read these 3 articles on Saiful. Since you were also working at Anwar’s office, did this article not come to your attention?
http://riwayathayat.blogspot.com/2008/03/awas-ada-musang-berbulu-ayam.html
http://riwayathayat.blogspot.com/2008/03/awas-ada-musang-berbulu-ayam-2.html
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:nq8ESoE-msAJ:riwayathayat.blogspot.com/2008/06/awas-ada-musang-berbulu-ayam-3.html+site:http://riwayathayat.blogspot.com+musang+berbulu+ayam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=my
My writing on this issue:
Drama Minggu Ini : Sodomy (Again ?)
I agree with you that we should not watch at the sideline. Get all bloggers who wants the corrupted Goverment and its cohorts brought down to sound the trumpet call for REVOLUTION
Agreed! Whenever I read Wong Chun Wai’s blog, I would vomit. All those wonderful democratic concepts and apparently genuine concerns on Malaysian economy appear on his blog, when the newspaper of which he is the group chief editor helps make Malaysia what it is today: endemic corruption and destroyed democratic institutions!
Try post a negative comment on his blog along this point (his involvement and responsibility to the society) and I bet your comment will never appear. Such is his standard.
Anwar had said it again and again that he had the numbers to take over the Gov but want a smooth and PEACEFUL handover. He was and still is concerned of the rakyat all the time . Will the corrupt BN/UMNO hand over POWER to PR on a silver platter? Is your guess and my.
BN 50 years of rule, corruption cases come and go in our courts, how many Big Fish were convicted?
Dr.MM said AI was a homo and his sexual urge was so great that he sodomised his driver and was convicted and sent to jail. During the 6 years in jail AI must have had sodomised a few imates??? NO? The high court cleared AI of sodomy. Now ,4 years as a free “homo” and with his “high sexual urge” he must have sodomised a few more people??? The UMNOputras must have lots of evidents already???
100 days passed the PR and the 5 states are growing stronger. Now just 80 days left to the dateline SEPTEMER 16th. That makes UMNO desperate but bankrupt of ideas to bring down PR. They come out with this 2nd sodomy charge on AI and at the same time seducing PAS to break from PR.
DSAI waiting for the RIGHT time to move in when he said he had enough MPs’ support to take over is a BIG mistake.
To quote a businessman:
“Upon the plains of hesitation
Lies the bones of countless millions
Who upon the threshold of success
Sat down to wait, and in waiting they DIE.”
Mr. Stanley Ho , the Asian King-of-Gamblers, once said; “Opportunity will knock on everyone’s door maybe once in his lifetime. One must realise it and grab it or missed it in one’s whole life.”
In popular Cantonese slang is 37-21 DO IT !!!
Kamal comments: sure dollah badawi is totally different from Mahathir, but why then he still retain Mahathir’s followers? Remeber Tengku Adnan of “he must be drunked” fame?