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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets migrate from Malaysia (FULLSTOP)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets migrate from Malaysia (FULLSTOP)</p>
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		<title>By: cherry tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>cherry tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Najib&#039;s a twat lah. he&#039;s always been one. if human life is reduced to numbers, you cant expect him to respect anyone - and he doesnt deserve any respect from anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Najib&#8217;s a twat lah. he&#8217;s always been one. if human life is reduced to numbers, you cant expect him to respect anyone &#8211; and he doesnt deserve any respect from anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t throw statistics at our faces - not at those poor families that have lost their young at these irrelevant NS camps. We don&#039;t seem to hear of any sons or daugthers of any datuk&#039;s or datin&#039;s joining these camps. I&#039;m sure we&#039;d know because we know how these people like to hog the limelight! DO they get specail treatment - that their names are not even include in the list for selection. That seems very very likely &amp; probable given our way of doing business.

The things the authorities wish to accomplish in these camps can be easily achieved via the education system, which currently is in adeplorable condition - what with teachers that lack the dedication &amp; initiative &amp; the ability to do any thinking process! If the teachers cannot provide a proper role model, how do we expect to inculcate the values in 3 short months. 

Maybe we can use the money spent on these NS to build more universities instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t throw statistics at our faces &#8211; not at those poor families that have lost their young at these irrelevant NS camps. We don&#8217;t seem to hear of any sons or daugthers of any datuk&#8217;s or datin&#8217;s joining these camps. I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;d know because we know how these people like to hog the limelight! DO they get specail treatment &#8211; that their names are not even include in the list for selection. That seems very very likely &amp; probable given our way of doing business.</p>
<p>The things the authorities wish to accomplish in these camps can be easily achieved via the education system, which currently is in adeplorable condition &#8211; what with teachers that lack the dedication &amp; initiative &amp; the ability to do any thinking process! If the teachers cannot provide a proper role model, how do we expect to inculcate the values in 3 short months. </p>
<p>Maybe we can use the money spent on these NS to build more universities instead.</p>
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		<title>By: doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea gud point there,im not getting any penny of NS. if we jus keep blaming so till when this stuff gonna end? i read abot NS death in wikipedia recently from 1st death till now n apparently the death not bcoz of accident tht we cant prevent but all is preventable if all NS camp r equipped wif doctor or actually the trainee directly send to hospital after they start having symptoms. i read 1 of cases of difficulty breathing n then have febrile fever 4 1 weeks, this can be of underlying disease mayB TB, pneumonia, dengue fever also can be a cause n lots so i guess the camp shud not treat thus jus by paramedic in camp since camp is not hosp n not equip wif CBC or for blood culture. . i guess thts all the NS lacking now, THE HEALTH CODE for sick trainee...other than tht i guess it&#039;s still ok since it jus few years back this programme started n need 2 improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea gud point there,im not getting any penny of NS. if we jus keep blaming so till when this stuff gonna end? i read abot NS death in wikipedia recently from 1st death till now n apparently the death not bcoz of accident tht we cant prevent but all is preventable if all NS camp r equipped wif doctor or actually the trainee directly send to hospital after they start having symptoms. i read 1 of cases of difficulty breathing n then have febrile fever 4 1 weeks, this can be of underlying disease mayB TB, pneumonia, dengue fever also can be a cause n lots so i guess the camp shud not treat thus jus by paramedic in camp since camp is not hosp n not equip wif CBC or for blood culture. . i guess thts all the NS lacking now, THE HEALTH CODE for sick trainee&#8230;other than tht i guess it&#8217;s still ok since it jus few years back this programme started n need 2 improve.</p>
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		<title>By: ktak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents entrust their sons/daughters to the government (ministry of defence) for NS training and would expect the safety aspect of the NS training to be adhered to at all time by the trainers and officers in charge of NS training. 

Hence, all the parents want from the govt is the accountability of the training death: assurance that the death cases during NS training are properly and thoroughly investigated (preferably by independent committee of inquiry) to determine the cause of death and also to enable us to take all the necessary measures so that what can be prevented will not happen again. 

If there is negligence found by those in charge of these trainees and those who do not adhere or comply to the operating procedure during NS training, then Attorney-General’s Chambers should proceed with criminal charges against these officers.


National Service call to parents
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/national-service-call-to-parents/

That Lee Lam Thye fella and ‘the system’
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/that-lee-lam-thye-fella-and-%e2%80%98the-system%e2%80%99/#comments

Singapore “NSmen death” search results from MinDef website:-
http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/portlets/Search/iterate.do?pageNumber=2&amp;pageSize=50&amp;startIndex=0


http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/mar/05mar07_nr2.html#deferment
........
Training Safety
.......
There are three fundamentals that drive this safety system. 
(1) First, safety management receives attention at the highest level. 
(2) Second, we resource it adequately, and 
(3) third, there are open reporting and tracking mechanisms in place, as Mr Hawazi alluded to. 
.........
As a result of these systemic efforts, the number of overall training incidents has decreased. Members have asked for an update, let me give some figures. It has decreased from 111 in work year 2004 to more than half, 55 for the current work year, as of January 07. Ms Indranee Rajah asked for hot spots, what the common types of injuries are. Analysis of trends had indicated that the common types of injuries are heat-related injuries or fractures suffered during physical or field training. And we have taken precautionary safety measures and it has a declining trend for both of these injuries over the past three years. 
Members have asked for the number of fatalities over the last three years. Let me give figures. In 2004, there was one death, due to training or operations and there were four in 2005. This work year, there has been one fatality during special operations training. Each loss of life in training is one too many. We will do our utmost to ensure that none occur but unfortunately, from time to time fatal incidents can occur.

We will not let up in our quest to achieve zero fatalities, and the SAF remains committed to strengthening its safety system through regular or targeted reviews based on trends of incidents and injuries. For example, we commissioned a review of special operations training last year. We are implementing the recommendations which have included rigorous formal instructor preparation courses, independent assessments of safety structures and features for special ops training, and devoting more supervisory, medical and safety resources for special ops units. And these measures will enable us to better manage the risks of special ops training.
............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents entrust their sons/daughters to the government (ministry of defence) for NS training and would expect the safety aspect of the NS training to be adhered to at all time by the trainers and officers in charge of NS training. </p>
<p>Hence, all the parents want from the govt is the accountability of the training death: assurance that the death cases during NS training are properly and thoroughly investigated (preferably by independent committee of inquiry) to determine the cause of death and also to enable us to take all the necessary measures so that what can be prevented will not happen again. </p>
<p>If there is negligence found by those in charge of these trainees and those who do not adhere or comply to the operating procedure during NS training, then Attorney-General’s Chambers should proceed with criminal charges against these officers.</p>
<p>National Service call to parents<br />
<a href="http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/national-service-call-to-parents/" rel="nofollow">http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/national-service-call-to-parents/</a></p>
<p>That Lee Lam Thye fella and ‘the system’<br />
<a href="http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/that-lee-lam-thye-fella-and-%e2%80%98the-system%e2%80%99/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/that-lee-lam-thye-fella-and-%e2%80%98the-system%e2%80%99/#comments</a></p>
<p>Singapore “NSmen death” search results from MinDef website:-<br />
<a href="http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/portlets/Search/iterate.do?pageNumber=2&amp;pageSize=50&amp;startIndex=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.ns.sg/nsPortal/portlets/Search/iterate.do?pageNumber=2&amp;pageSize=50&amp;startIndex=0</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/mar/05mar07_nr2.html#deferment" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/mar/05mar07_nr2.html#deferment</a><br />
&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Training Safety<br />
&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
There are three fundamentals that drive this safety system.<br />
(1) First, safety management receives attention at the highest level.<br />
(2) Second, we resource it adequately, and<br />
(3) third, there are open reporting and tracking mechanisms in place, as Mr Hawazi alluded to.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
As a result of these systemic efforts, the number of overall training incidents has decreased. Members have asked for an update, let me give some figures. It has decreased from 111 in work year 2004 to more than half, 55 for the current work year, as of January 07. Ms Indranee Rajah asked for hot spots, what the common types of injuries are. Analysis of trends had indicated that the common types of injuries are heat-related injuries or fractures suffered during physical or field training. And we have taken precautionary safety measures and it has a declining trend for both of these injuries over the past three years.<br />
Members have asked for the number of fatalities over the last three years. Let me give figures. In 2004, there was one death, due to training or operations and there were four in 2005. This work year, there has been one fatality during special operations training. Each loss of life in training is one too many. We will do our utmost to ensure that none occur but unfortunately, from time to time fatal incidents can occur.</p>
<p>We will not let up in our quest to achieve zero fatalities, and the SAF remains committed to strengthening its safety system through regular or targeted reviews based on trends of incidents and injuries. For example, we commissioned a review of special operations training last year. We are implementing the recommendations which have included rigorous formal instructor preparation courses, independent assessments of safety structures and features for special ops training, and devoting more supervisory, medical and safety resources for special ops units. And these measures will enable us to better manage the risks of special ops training.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: harun</title>
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		<dc:creator>harun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly urge everyone who read this to forward to at least 5 friends in your email immediately.

And then ask them to forward to another 5 friends.

Do this, and you will save future young lives.

Please do your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly urge everyone who read this to forward to at least 5 friends in your email immediately.</p>
<p>And then ask them to forward to another 5 friends.</p>
<p>Do this, and you will save future young lives.</p>
<p>Please do your part.</p>
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		<title>By: ALARMED CITIZEN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALARMED CITIZEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel,

I agree with your views.

On the other hand, can we do some comparison;

During the past 3.5 years, how many deaths occur in a real ARMY training camp? I mean those recruits under training to be in the ARMY? Those recruits that really undergoes real training to be an army personnel? Those recruits who undergoes real physical training and are paid allowances to be in the army. Do you have any statistics on death occurs during the past 3.5 years compared to the present PLKN so called &#039;get together&#039; incepted in 2004?

Now, don&#039;t you think the NUMBER of deaths occurred in PLKN &#039;so called&#039; get together are alarming? Are you saying that since the percentage figure is small, we can ignore it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel,</p>
<p>I agree with your views.</p>
<p>On the other hand, can we do some comparison;</p>
<p>During the past 3.5 years, how many deaths occur in a real ARMY training camp? I mean those recruits under training to be in the ARMY? Those recruits that really undergoes real training to be an army personnel? Those recruits who undergoes real physical training and are paid allowances to be in the army. Do you have any statistics on death occurs during the past 3.5 years compared to the present PLKN so called &#8216;get together&#8217; incepted in 2004?</p>
<p>Now, don&#8217;t you think the NUMBER of deaths occurred in PLKN &#8217;so called&#8217; get together are alarming? Are you saying that since the percentage figure is small, we can ignore it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pegasus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pegasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  don&#039;t recall reading any minister&#039;s child in the NS training. If Najib&#039;s kid dies during a NS training if ever his kid have attended ,wonder what he will say. Those parents who lost their kid in the NS training would never have thought that their kid will come back in a death bag ,the pain and sorrow will be unthinkable. Najib does not give a damn about these deaths.Loyalty to the country cannot be measured with the deaths of the trainees. The NS should be abolished or suspended at the least to investigate and upgrade the service provided in all the camps. Those BN cronies having contracts with regards to NS should be audited and investigated for the level of service provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  don&#8217;t recall reading any minister&#8217;s child in the NS training. If Najib&#8217;s kid dies during a NS training if ever his kid have attended ,wonder what he will say. Those parents who lost their kid in the NS training would never have thought that their kid will come back in a death bag ,the pain and sorrow will be unthinkable. Najib does not give a damn about these deaths.Loyalty to the country cannot be measured with the deaths of the trainees. The NS should be abolished or suspended at the least to investigate and upgrade the service provided in all the camps. Those BN cronies having contracts with regards to NS should be audited and investigated for the level of service provided.</p>
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		<title>By: raj raman 666</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj raman 666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to,
doctor,
i dont know wish blogs you wrote the same thing regarding this kids dying and you was whack trou left and rights by blogger.

My question for you and i hope you can anwser.
1.Do you or someone you knows have any investment return from this hell camp.
2.Are you the genuine doctor? because a doctors proffession is to save life  althou the patient is in dead row.
3.Are you the one people call mercy killer doctor?

Rajraman666.YOU DOCTOR SHOULD FACE THE DEVIL999 AND ANWSER TO YOUR SO CALL MERCY KILLING..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to,<br />
doctor,<br />
i dont know wish blogs you wrote the same thing regarding this kids dying and you was whack trou left and rights by blogger.</p>
<p>My question for you and i hope you can anwser.<br />
1.Do you or someone you knows have any investment return from this hell camp.<br />
2.Are you the genuine doctor? because a doctors proffession is to save life  althou the patient is in dead row.<br />
3.Are you the one people call mercy killer doctor?</p>
<p>Rajraman666.YOU DOCTOR SHOULD FACE THE DEVIL999 AND ANWSER TO YOUR SO CALL MERCY KILLING..</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Mariah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Mariah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 13:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>najib memang mcm gampang!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>najib memang mcm gampang!</p>
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