(UPDATED) Possibility: Karpal alone to sink Pakatan kapal?
Update 11/5/08, 12.30pm
Thanks all, for the insightful feedback - they reminded me to add one or two points.
I oppose Malaysia’s Sedition Act, simply because it is badly worded and too loosely defined - opening the door to all sorts of ridiculous abuse. It is also inconsistently applied; I agree that many BN members have said things that are truly inciteful and incendiary, and of course they are never persecuted.
Therefore, I obviously do not support charging YB Karpal under the Sedition Act, or any other act for that matter. I am generally extremely suspicious of any legal procedures initiated against someone who is speaking his or her mind.
I also did not expressly credit YB Karpal for all his achievements, history of integrity and guts; he is certainly a man of good stature, and that is worth noting.
At the end of the day, the focal lens of this post remains a political one. Should YB Karpal have said what he said the way he said it, that’s the question I’m hoping to ask. And I’m completely respectful of views from both sides of the fence.
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Original post:
It’s just a question, before diehard Karpal supporters start flinging brickbats.
I must say I felt for the poor guy, who talked about rushing out to war and suddenly finding comrades you expected to be there behind you conspicuously missing.
In this case however, perhaps it was a case of one general not consulting fellow generals, colonels and privates before rushing out.
I’m the last person in the world to comment about where royal boundaries begin and end. It’s simply not my area of expertise.
But from a purely political standpoint, surely there is a need for some nuance here.
The question I believe should face YB Karpal is, is it worth it?
Yes, I can totally sympathise with being unflinchingly true to ones principles. It is admirable no doubt.
For me, one principle is knowing what to give and what to take, to maximise the good of the people. Having recently rewatched Hot Fuzz with polytikus, I know the dangers of being obsessed with the greater good, and indeed, the line must be drawn somewhere. Indefinite detention without trial or torture for instance. Or even, I’m prepared to concede, super (and I mean super) dramatic cases involving serious overstepping of boundaries where the royalty or religion is concerned.
But drawing the line at the Sultan’s objection with regards to the appointment of a state religious chief? At a time when race relations are facing unprecedented challenges, and the unscrupulous (Utusan) waits to pounce on absolutely anything remotely perceived as anti-Malay?
It’s not about sweeping everything under the carpet until Pakatan sweeps into power. It’s about being respectful of people’s beliefs, and what they hold sacred. If indeed someone’s right to swing his fist ends where your nose begins, I think we may have reached more than a few nostril hairs by now.
I think even Anwar, even riding the height of his credit ratings, prefers to consult with the party before deciding on major policy stances, statements, and the like. I certainly shouldn’t presume to tell others how to do their job, but perhaps not making such consultations has resulted in YB Karpal’s current unenviable position?
Again: especially if you share my view that this is no slippery slope yet, is this really the place to draw that line?
Merely thoughts of one concerned rakyat.
ps- thanks to commentor Margeemar, I’m reminded to note: sometimes it’s not just what you say, it’s how you say it. Proper articulation can make many unpalatable things palatable, and decontroversify many controversial things.
You asked the right question. By asking the question himself at the press conference, YB Karpal should actually get his own answer: he has lost touch with the political reality. How I wish he got that answer himself and remained silence. Sigh.
The word Sedition has been cropping up rather regularly these days. YM Raja Petra was slapped with it and now YB Karpal Singh seems to be next on the list. I really don’t understand the double standards and hypocrisy of the Police and the BN/Umno regime on the issue of sedition.
Just last month, we had Umno politicians making all sorts of unkind remarks against the King and the Raja of Perlis. During the Constitutional crisis, Umno politicians made plenty of what can be termed as Seditious remarks against the Malay Rulers. Then, we have the seditious remarks made by the likes of Hashim Suboh and the Umno clowns during last years Umno General Assembly. Let us not forget DPM Najib just before Operasi Lallang, wanted to bathe the Keris with the blood of Malaysian Chinese.
All these does not seem to be seditious to the government and the impotent IGP and his goons at PDRM! I don’t see where YB Karpal has insulted the Monarchy. The questions he raised is of public interest. It is the idiot Bodohwi and his racist goons in Umno who are trying to stir up racial sentiments by suddenly championing the Malay Rulers and Malay rights. By asking the oxymoron Tengku Adnan to lodge a police report against YB Karpal, Badawi has really demonstrated to the world what kind of a moron and racist he is.
I see a real danger here that as Umno is sinking, low life’s like SIL, MMT, Tengku Adnan, the MP of Batu Pahat etc. may use this issue to stir up racial tension just to be seen as the Knights of Shining armor in the eyes of the Malays
nat: certainly some elements of that. thanks for the reminder, i also should highlight - sometimes its not just what you say; it’s how you say it.
it’s funny to see a hardcore Keadilan politician/activitist like yourself to say Karpal Singh is fighting a losing cause. Only because there are people like Karpal Singh, who has PRINCIPLES that just is just, right is right and unconstitutional is unconstitutional.
Sedition or not, wheelchair or standing, Karpal Singh is there to fight for the constitution, to fight for justice and to fight for you and me.
Nat, your underbelly punch disgusted me.
I am with Karpal. He cited the precedent in the High Court and nothing more.
Besides, Karpal is not alone. I read in Harakah about the fuss Umno’s hulubalang made concerning Karpal’s so-called outbursts.
At least, he dares to remind all and sundry about the separation of powers between the govt and royalty. To say I am disappointed with PKR and DAP is an understatement.
Sad but as I see it, it is a clear case of racism. If there aren’t folks like Karpal, RPK, LKS etc, who selflessly speak up for the rest of us, can you even imagine what life would be like? GOD bless these people for all their sacrifices. I shall always remember you in my prayers.
I have always admired the Tiger of Jelutong for his guts in standing up against the corrupt BN government even when he was vastly outnumbered and overpowered.
But on this issue, I cannot agree with him. The Sultan of Perak is a just man and the former Lord President of the Judiciary. He should not be told to back of from his decree, after he had taken great pains to elaborate his feelings on the matter.
After all, it is an issue about Islam.
I for one believe the yb Karpal Singh should practice smart politic . After all you live in Malaysia. It is really stupid after all these years practicing politic in Malaysia still hasn`t learn anything.
It is ok for BN to break the law but not others especially the opposition. The BN is in turmoil and here you are giving them ammo and excuses to divert the attention. How stupid can you be. The YB is a smart lawyer but certainly not a smart politician. Its not easy for PR to win vote , and you put you colleagues in PR in a very difficult position, First you have a go at PAS , that doesn`t work, now you try to bring them down with your action. What you don`t realise without PR, DAP won`t be in power at all. Why can`t you work as a team. It might not BE AN OFFICIAL party orginisation but their well being is your well being. The opposition had just won big , its hasn`t win the election yet. In other word the BN stil control the country and its machineries and they are not ashame or feel guilty to use it at whim.Look at the last election Govt. properties were use as their personel properties.So think before you open your gop. So please YB Karpal don`t put PR chances in the coming election in jeorpardy.
Your comments reminds me of a comic character name “Groo” (www.groo.com). Google about it to learn more… Groo and the description you mentioned above have similar characteristic… as a ganaral running into the fray leaving his army behind and ending up slaying both sides….
BTW… PR should pointed/exploited the Terengganu incident to kill off UMNO/Utusan attack…. plus.. there was a picture too.. showing UMNO/Ideris Jusoh supporters with a banner insulting the Sultan with the word “nate” or in proper bahasa.. “binatang” - animal… this is much mush much insulting that allegation on Karpal… Suara Keadilan and Harakah should put the picture front page comdemning such act…
If there is fair and justice in Malaysia, Najib, Hishamuddin and Sleeping Pak Lah should be charged with sedition as well. Why the double standard? Honestly, there is no justice in Malaysia as long as the current goverment continue to rule our country. There are whole bunch of buggers who abuse their power and put themselves above the law. The truth is, we are cowards who still living in fear of the snakes out there.
Karpal Singh ought to be bestowed the Tun - ship, he deserves it , for helping many down trodden rakyat, subjects of the rulers, in legal battles, in parliament and for the nation in General.
I salute you YB Karpal Singh
I disagreed with Karpal, as I think the Constitution makes it clear the Sultan is the head of Islam in each state with a Malay ruler, and the Menteri Besar should have consulted the Sultan on the decision.
Note the Sultan of Perak didn’t say “No Way”, he said “you have to consult the Sultan”
Having said that, I say PR has to support Karpal against Barisan Najis/UMNO’s attempt to throw the Sedition Act against him.
I don’t agree with Karpal Singh but I support his right to make a fair comment on a Constitutional issue.
Nat, well said
Nat…at this moment of time ,its best that PR consolidate itself and steer clear of running into the trap of the RACIST UMNO.The Flip flop PM and his cium tangan DPM are waiting for issues to get back Malay support. They survived only on raising “ketuanan Melayu”
To say Sedition……this are the people who should be charged…..PM, DPM, the wealthiest unemployed, The trengganu umno .
During the Mahathir era ….all ministers were simply bombarding the Sultans and Monarchy with seditious words. What happened then ???Were the Police sleeping? Or they just worked up from their long sleep after begin kissed on the lips of Musa by Badawi!!!
WHAT you say is true, but do you see his point, the point he was trying to put across, where do the rulers powers stop, if you take everything as gospel, than you are deaf and blind. this is pure politics on umno parts, they are clutching at straws, as seen in the live feeds and even from you tube, they are getting embarrased in parliment with their inability to answer straight questions, even the SIL was made to look like a fool, well what do you expect all this while he has been praised for his widom by brown-nosers, until he meets with disenting views, rank amateur. coming back to Karpal, if he doesn’t ask or question, who has the cojunes to, anyone here,
HE actually asked a valid question and statement on points of law, don’t get side tracked by umno’s folly, they hold no moral high ground, with the babi selangor scandal, balkis, toyo’s paper shredding, missing documents, all..tanya?, alcoholic ex minister and rabah-rabah cigar smoking fool, so after the promises of the bar dinner, pm has shown from his actions, his promises are just that like in 2004 just smoke, never to see the light of day, don’t listen to this conman.
Well, you just have to pick your battle…charging into the battleground just for the sake of charging??? Providing ammunition for the enemy isn’t exactly a smart move eh? No wonder other leaders are having second thoughts…principle stays but time has changed…welcome to the 21st century, Mr. MP
PKR is like water. If tomorrow Teh Tarik sells, Anwar and Nat will become Teh Tarik. If the next day Kopi Jantan sells, they will become that.
Karpal should be lauded for sticking to his guns.
PKR is just too scared of irking the royalist even though the Federal Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
We’ll its really sad that time and time again the country harmony is always used as a tool for political gains of BN. Malaysian is supposed to look into all this and just accept it. Its really time for us all to move forward together and accept whatever criticism that come along with our action.
Its all about freedom of speech!!!! Freedom of speech and freedom of speech.You might not agree with him but as member of the Pakatan and someone who preaches freedom and justice - you should defend him.
Karpal is a member of Parliament and a senior law practitioner and as one-he must speak up without fear or favour on issues of public interest.If one dont agree-they should engage him to a debate or correct his wrong perception and not to condemn and persecute him.
We call it solidarity and shame on all the PKR MPs/Aduns who during campaign promised to speak up without fear or favour lah-,will speak for justice lah and so on.But now after winning they cant even speak up for thier own rakan seperjuangan.Shame on you all the young MPs.Shame on you Pakatan.Next time dont promise something that you cant do.
Im happy at least PRM spoke up on the matter.Check out the link.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/82625
Well this is what Karpal Singh is all about. Remember back in the days of Operasi Lalang, this man choose to remain in jail and only come out after proving himself not guilty while others choose to leave.
Karpal might be a politician but he speaks his mind. Right is Right and unconstitutional is unconstitutional as said by “tomatoinc” above. A man of principle unlike most politicians who are more concerned about their public image rather than standing up for what is right.
He might have made a mistake of not consulting the rest of the pack but that doesnt mean, the pack must hang him out to dry. To that Nat, your view is rather shallow.
“At a time when race relations are facing unprecedented challenges, and the unscrupulous (Utusan) waits to pounce on absolutely anything remotely perceived as anti-Malay?”
Didn’t know that Utusan can make the great Nat Tan kecut! *ptui!
Let’s look at a different scenario. In case whereby HRH Sultan ‘dislikes’ the JAIP director. HRH would call upon the MB to transfer the JAIP director and look for a replacement. The State administrative headed by MB is responsible for employment.
If the above is relevant than Karpal may just be right.
Dear Nat,
Your take on Utusan was right on target.
It gives the chill everytime I read utusan calling for Blood and invoking Heaven and Hell to defend Malay rights and every inch of pakatan rakyat is being observed and scrutinised.
It should be names Utusan Anti PR instead.
They are waging a war againts PR. Selangor state is still being attaciked with Babi comments on pages so subtle that they scold and rave at malays who voted keadilan with PADAN MUKA and yesterday tv3 got a homeless Indian to swear he will never vote Keadilan
(tmn medan) and will revert to BN & MIC.
Something has to be done and a watchdog has to be set up amidts screaming for press freedom. Utusan is hell bent on creating chaos in the country.
Thier Mentor awang selamat since the Days of Hindraf has gone all out to condemn and critic with words like
Biadap, Derhaka, pengkhianat, pembelot etc etc..
see today news:
BISIK-BISIK AWANG SELAMAT
AWANG terpanggil mengulas gesaan Naib Presiden MCA, Ong Tee Keat agar dihapuskan penggunaan ungkapan ketuanan Melayu.
Beliau mendakwa, ungkapan tersebut tidak sesuai kerana ia bermaksud Melayu sebagai tuan dan kaum lain adalah hamba.
Tidak silap Awang istilah ketuanan Melayu muncul sebelum merdeka ketika orang Melayu iaitu kaum asal tanah air ini menentang penindasan penjajah.
Selepas merdeka, penggunaannya lebih bersifat gagasan bagi menggerakkan pencapaian orang Melayu dan agar kekal sebagai peneraju kuasa.
Sudah tentu ia sedikit sebanyak tidak dapat lari daripada semangat kontrak sosial dan realiti Melayu adalah kaum teras. Di Indonesia, etnik Jawa adalah teras, begitu juga kaum Cina di Singapura - itulah realitinya. Maka ketuanan Melayu bukan bermakna kaum lain hamba.
Janganlah ambil pusing apatah lagi takut dengan ungkapan sedemikian. Sejarah membuktikan bahawa Melayu cukup baik hati termasuk sanggup berkongsi status kewarganegaraan biarpun kerajaan British pernah mahu menghantar pulang kaum imigran.
Lagipun realitinya hari ini orang Melayu jauh ketinggalan berbanding kaum Cina yang menguasai ekonomi terutama di bandar dan pekan. Siapa yang lebih tuan?
Awang – Tak takut ‘kiasu’
that’s the problem with parties isn’t it? always gotta consult the party and toe certain party lines. it’s all part of the decorum.
so karpal didn’t do it, big deal. so nat disagrees with his actions, big deal. focus on the issueslah.
why isn’t anybody researching the constitution about this? why are we not alarmed that he may be charged for sedition? why are we always whacking the person who uttered the statement and the bloggers who repeat/support/disagree with it?
grow up lah.
I think Hassan is right , why give BN the bullet. and when you use the word Pakatan , I think you should Pakat first before you say something and you find the Pakatan will be behind you.
Guys,
Nat is not against Karpal’s statement or what he has said. I think he is only pointing out how the statement is framed and knowing the enemy we have (Ameno [UMNO]), there is need to be smart and move slowly, lest everything goes haywire. There is an Arab poet who once said: “A stupid man is not the leader of his people, but a man who pretends one is the leader of his people.” In this case, you need to know the prevailing conditions and pretend to be stupid, otherwise macho style and purported principles will not help because politics is not what you think.
Who needs enemies when there are allies like you. In a tight situation, you abandon Karpal. That’s not the way of allies. You close ranks and watch each others backs. Remember this, PM: Appointing anyone else is against Constitution Monday March 24, 2008.
Is this not treason? Or are double standards the norm of BN Wallahs, when the opposition is involved from, Malaysiakini ? The PM was going against the wishes of the current King, who is the Sultan of Trengganu.Anyway he blinked, in that sorry episode. A reminder to the so called “loyal” BN opportunists. The details here http://7rangers.blogspot.com/2008/05/pm-appointing-anyone-else-is-against.html
Aye laddie. You got smarts up there between your shoulders! Yes, I agree with ya. The Umno boys are rubbing their hands in glee, mouths drooling saliva, waiting for saudara Karpal to put his foot in his mouth again.
Granted some said he is a man of principles — he should be very principled and think of Pakatan the the ‘war’ rather than thinking of himself and DAP to fight a battle, and lose Pakatan the war.
As we grow old, we lose foresight because we think too much of the past.
I agree. I think this time Karpal has gone a bit too far, but then again, so have UMNO, especially with the furore over clashing head on with the monarchy.
Perhaps it’s not just UMNO and BN who have a hard time adjusting to political realities, but DAP as well? :s
Dun play with others name. Imagine someone put up a post
“Nat alone turns PR into nuts”
How would u feel? I am greatly disappointed with this post. Read Karpal statement and check the facts carefully before posting anything. Stop pointing fingers and take the easy way out. U really think Karpal can sink PR with this statement? he is merely upholding the constitution, a man of principle.
Are we really clear whether it’s a question of principle
Or a principle of questioning whenever there’s any doubt
Don’t we have the equal right to question even a principal Should there be any good reason to doubt about a new doubt?
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 100508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Sat. 10th May 2008.
Change my no upside down,you all will say i am the damien 999 but the tiger might be all the way correct in terms of law point of view.
The devil in angel mask (guess it who) can tell the whole nation openly and without legal consent againts the ruler.
why the is no action againts the angel.
KArpal can be the devil sticking to his legal point and i am not the lawyer,but if he have the points in laws and sticking to it,pls charge him in court of law.
Dont attack him politically.I believe the angel will loose on point of law.
How do you define ’sedition’ anyway?
Also, who is actually the offended party?
I agree with kittykat46 completely. I think Karpal has generally been correct in his assessment of the situation, but if I were in his shoes, I would not have brought up these issues in Parliament, or at least chosen my words a lot more carefully.
Expressing a view in a considered and civil manner, as Karpal Singh did, does not amount to sedition. No one in Malaysia is above the law. If that civil servant thought his rights were being trampled on, he had a right of review in the courts. He could even instructed Karpal Singh (under the ‘first cab in the rank’ rule) to act for him. Lord knows Karpal Singh has considerable experience in twisting the dragon’s tail (I won’t use the word lion) in that respect.
There is sufficient caselaw and academic commentary (including by the late Prof Ahmad Ibrahim of UM) that a civil servant can be transferred, about the right of review and the “supreme law” set out in the Federal Consitution that always overried state law to justify Karpal Singh’s views. Perhaps BN is trying to say Karpal Singh was biadap. That hardly amounts to sedition even if one is a feudalist (as some UMNO people appear to be when it suits them).
Pak Lah better make sure that this does not come to haunt him and UMNO. Karpal Singh is highly regarded, even in his own party. They always come to him when they are in serious shit for advice.
Uncalled for really unnecessary. He been acted like egotic clown after 8th elections……….The only diffrent…this joker make people upset and the sad part without even discuss with his party fellows, remember of this YOU ASKED FOR IT, tanam tebu lu makan gula.taman cili you sendili mau tau!!!
Thanks all, for the insightful comments - they reminded me to add one or two points.
I oppose Malaysia’s Sedition Act, simply because it is badly worded and too loosely defined - opening the door to all sorts of ridiculous abuse. It is also inconsistently applied; I agree that many BN members have said things that are truly inciteful and incendiary, and of course they are never persecuted.
Therefore, I obviously do not support charging YB Karpal under the Sedition Act, or any other act for that matter.
The focal lens of this post remains a political one. Should YB Karpal have said what he said the way he said it, that’s the question I’m hoping to ask. And I’m completely respectful of views from both sides of the fence.
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i must note that guabaysong is actually a cheeky friend of mine :P :) eh, you start using your real name, then you can call me kecut all you like, lol! :P lu bay song, gua pun bay song ar! haha
free speech: thanks for the the teguran. i admit, if someone made a post like that, i’d just be amused, but you’re right, perhaps I was being a little bit disrespectful and if so, i apologise. i hope readers take it in the light-hearted, non-offensive spirit in which it was conceived :)
to all else, again, i appreciate all your views and positions :)
The question should be “Can umno successfully twists karpal’s statement to sink Pakatan kapal”.
Karpal’s statements are valid legal issues that any country have to deal with. Umno bigots care only if they can score political points with the malays. Never mind that they themselves did the unspeakable just few weeks back.
PR should focus on comparing the umno scumbags’ action with karpal’s statement. Stay away from utusan’s membabi-buta joget.
NAT,
YOU ARE THE GETTLEMENT.
RAJ RAMAN666-I WILL FOLLOW UP WHO HAVE THE INTEGRITY LIKE YOU.
I ALSO CAN BE RAJ RAMAN999 THE DEVIL IN YOUR BLOGS.
PR is losing alot of good wills for not standing by Karpal.
whether Karpal is right or wrong in question the Sultan that’s another story but PR missing in action shows the kind of fair weather “friends”
Tojol is right, if there’s a by election now, PR will lose even in Bandar Tun Razak!
If ARMNO is really safeguarding the position of the monarchy I have a question. Where were all these pretenders when Mahatick amended the constitution curbing the powers of the monarchy? Nobody questioned not even the monarchy. I NOW challenge the UMNO/BN to restore the powers of the monarchy pre 1980. Prove it if not SHUT UP ARMNO.
Mr Tan, looks like you have to get your emotional other half to intervene to let you off the hook for that shameful political thought.Bad job bad job.
I challenge politikus to write an opinion on the REAL issue as what unfolded in the case of Jamry in Malaysiakini.Why dont you walk your talk rather than giving cheap advise that any idiot could.Dont just try to be political with your public sale of your cheap talk.
Put your money where your mouth is. Answer the REAL question-answer the question of whether the istana have power in the Jamry case or not.If you dare to speak up on your mind.This goes to Mr Tan as well.
As what politikus said-write on the REAL issue and publish it in Malaysiakini.
Its pure stupidity for politikus to mention party line-what party line does it take to ask a question or put forward a legal opinion? You dont understand what party line means.Check before you talk.
thank goodness the political parties dont have Mr and Mrs Tan in their ranks.It means disaster to opposition politics.
You both should just continue blogging about your food adventures and on your neighbors underwears.
nat: “Why dont you walk your talk rather than giving cheap advise that any idiot could” ah, that’s my favourite part :) The beauty about blogs is not only do I get to write what I deem fit, you get to write what YOU deem fit. So, why don’t you go ahead and write the opinion piece you want to see written, be the change you wish to see. You write what you feel (legal opinion, etc2..), we write what we feel - so simple.
I couldn’t care less if you call me stupid in every single post I write, but insulting Li Tsin is uncalled for. I think it’s quite evident that she’s the smartest of the three here, and clearly possessed of a better soul.
baronshah:
Democratic reforms disrespect the monarchy? In what sense? I see no reason to prevent monarchs from being prosecuted, or to allow them to unilaterally veto legislation passed by a democratically elected Parliament. It would be an outrage if any government attempts to “restore” the monarchy by returning us to the era of feudalism. You might want to read one of Raja Petra’s latest pieces on the royalty, which accurately observes that in a constitutional monarchy, the monarch is a symbol for the nation to uphold, but not an undemocratic tyrant unaccountable for his own actions.
Nat: Debate Karpal statement, not political aspect (i.e. timing, language, motive…). Where do you stand?
Should Sultan be given executive powers like in the case of Terengganu, Perak, Perlis and to a certain extent in Selangor (i.e. senior exco, deputy MB etc…)?
Debate Karpal’s statement, not Karpal. Answer my above question (perhaps in a separate blog post) that and put case to rest!
John Lee: “I agree with kittykat46 completely. I think Karpal has generally been correct in his assessment of the situation, but if I were in his shoes, I would not have brought up these issues in Parliament, or at least chosen my words a lot more carefully.”
You duduk! You shut up! Peraturan mesyuarat! Crazy! Diam! Duduk! (Bung impression).
You also another one, thinking you are smarter than Karpal. I challenge you debate validity of Karpal’s statement, not politics of it!
Nat: I enjoy my anonimity. At least I use a psuedonym you are familiar with and other are not. That is the intention. The medium is the message.
Aiya who cares bout karpal singh?
Let’s see if the sabahans are defecting or not!!
Answers Nat! Answers! Jawab soalan tambahan! Oi! P.K.R.!
nat: you’re a rascal lah you :P :) i don’t speak for the party.. ever, pretty much :P :) but on the use of the Sedition Act, i must refer you to malik imtiaz, the expert. on the role of the Sultans, I decline to comment. I simply don’t have strong enough views on the matter. I know you’ll bising, but it doesn’t bother me; the right to reserve comment is a wonderful one :)
So if you cannot come up with an argument against Karpal… why raise a ruckus in the first place?