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		<title>By: jelas.info &#187; Black Thursday: I felt like had to face mad dogs all day</title>
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		<dc:creator>jelas.info &#187; Black Thursday: I felt like had to face mad dogs all day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think my first full on experience of this was at Hindraf. I&#8217;ll never forget the feelings I had, being bullied by rabid cops over the course of a whole [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Colour Blind - &#187; Pandamaran/ Klang: No to ISA dinner-talk on Friday, 3 Oct 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colour Blind - &#187; Pandamaran/ Klang: No to ISA dinner-talk on Friday, 3 Oct 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger describes his first experience with tear gas on Jalan Ampang:  I was near the front, and inexperienced with tear gas, so it caught me a little [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sebok kaki</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebok kaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hindraf,....tunjuk kuasa di pilihanraya. Bukan di Jalanraya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hindraf,&#8230;.tunjuk kuasa di pilihanraya. Bukan di Jalanraya.</p>
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		<title>By: mani</title>
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		<dc:creator>mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MINDA  become handy man for Samy. Boikot Minda.
All NGO agree to submit memo together but Minda playback all. Minda members - GO against them!!!!
Minda no minda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MINDA  become handy man for Samy. Boikot Minda.<br />
All NGO agree to submit memo together but Minda playback all. Minda members &#8211; GO against them!!!!<br />
Minda no minda.</p>
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		<title>By: GSK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an article i got from Malaysian Indian View
Please all u people who accuse Hindraf for falsely claiming there is ethnic cleansing in Malaysia, read this article and try to understand it. Then if u r a Malay ask yourself &#039;is this a fair country&#039; and non malays wake up. No &#039;final solution&#039; ethnic cleansing but...

A Keen Observer &#124; Dec 7, 07 5:24pm

I write in response to the vigorous denials by ruling politicians and some Malaysiakini readers towards Hindraf’s claims of ‘ethnic cleansing’.
Societies do not leap from being non-discriminatory and egalitarian to the outright killing and extermination of ethnic minorities overnight. It is an evolutionary process that starts in small steps.

The initial phase is usually innocuous. It starts off with seemingly &quot;noble&quot; intentions including positive discrimination in favour of the group in power on various justifications such as socio-economic restructuring. However, the rule of unintended consequences usually means that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Once the perpetrators are allowed to get away with the initial measures, they can take it to the next level, including:

1. Restrictions on educational, employment and business opportunities for minority groups

2. Restrictions on language, cultural and religious freedoms on minority groups (including restrictions on the building of places of worship and recent calls to remove crosses from Christian schools by a local politician pandering to his religious constituency)

3. Encouraging the migration or destruction of the intelligentsia, including independent media, who are usually the first to oppose such policies

4. Ethnic or race tagging when dealing with government agencies for example, the insistence that citizens must declare their race in government forms and policies

In more advanced phases of this virulent condition, symptoms can include:

1. Ethnic or religious profiling in law enforcement

2. Complete domination of the government civil service and armed forces by the dominant power’s group, beyond its population proportions in the general community

3. The creation of underclasses and ‘ghetto-ed’ minorities

4. Outright religious persecution

5. Forced religious conversions

6. Vilification and demonisation of ethnic and religious minorities

7. The destruction of minority groups’ places of worship

8. Destruction of minority groups’ businesses

The Hitler- or Balkan-style &quot;final solution&quot; of outright killing and ethnic extermination usually takes years if not decades to happen. Ethnic cleansing does not require conscious planning by its perpetrators. The baser human tendency to divide our world view into &quot;us&quot; and &quot;them&quot; is enough to do the job. All it needs are populist or demagogue politicians who appeal to our false sense of racial patriotism (such as keris-waving politicians) and superiority.

Many ordinary German survivors of the Second World War struggled to come to terms with how they were foolishly-led by the Nazi regime into perpetrating some of the worst crimes against their fellow citizens. The ordinary German citizenry certainly did not start the 1930s with the outright ambition to rid the world of inferior races including Gypsies, same-sex couples and Jews. But by the end of 1945, over 20 million people perished as a result of the war, of which six to eight million were victims of race-hatred killings).

Yes, there is no ethnic cleansing of the Indian community in the sense of a &quot;final solution&quot; where outright killing occurs, as some of Malaysiakini readers have correctly pointed out.

However, no one rules out that the current and previous administrations’ policies, unwittingly or not, can become precursors to more advanced phases of ethnic cleansing. In fact, the political power base of the past and present administrations are based on the toxic twin ideologies of ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ and Islam ideology. It is extremely unlikely that the present administration can undo any of these policies without undermining its very own political power.

Hence, it is understandable why Hindraf has made these &quot;outrageous&quot; claims. When the final solution arrives, it is too late. Just ask the surviving African Sudanese refugees in Darfur or the Tibetan exiles today. It is too late to ask the hundreds of thousands of Tutsis who were killed in the Rwandan genocide, and the Bosnian and Croats killed in the Balkan wars. It is certainly too late to ask the millions of Jews, Gypsies and other minority groups killed by the Nazis in the Second World War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an article i got from Malaysian Indian View<br />
Please all u people who accuse Hindraf for falsely claiming there is ethnic cleansing in Malaysia, read this article and try to understand it. Then if u r a Malay ask yourself &#8216;is this a fair country&#8217; and non malays wake up. No &#8216;final solution&#8217; ethnic cleansing but&#8230;</p>
<p>A Keen Observer | Dec 7, 07 5:24pm</p>
<p>I write in response to the vigorous denials by ruling politicians and some Malaysiakini readers towards Hindraf’s claims of ‘ethnic cleansing’.<br />
Societies do not leap from being non-discriminatory and egalitarian to the outright killing and extermination of ethnic minorities overnight. It is an evolutionary process that starts in small steps.</p>
<p>The initial phase is usually innocuous. It starts off with seemingly &#8220;noble&#8221; intentions including positive discrimination in favour of the group in power on various justifications such as socio-economic restructuring. However, the rule of unintended consequences usually means that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.</p>
<p>Once the perpetrators are allowed to get away with the initial measures, they can take it to the next level, including:</p>
<p>1. Restrictions on educational, employment and business opportunities for minority groups</p>
<p>2. Restrictions on language, cultural and religious freedoms on minority groups (including restrictions on the building of places of worship and recent calls to remove crosses from Christian schools by a local politician pandering to his religious constituency)</p>
<p>3. Encouraging the migration or destruction of the intelligentsia, including independent media, who are usually the first to oppose such policies</p>
<p>4. Ethnic or race tagging when dealing with government agencies for example, the insistence that citizens must declare their race in government forms and policies</p>
<p>In more advanced phases of this virulent condition, symptoms can include:</p>
<p>1. Ethnic or religious profiling in law enforcement</p>
<p>2. Complete domination of the government civil service and armed forces by the dominant power’s group, beyond its population proportions in the general community</p>
<p>3. The creation of underclasses and ‘ghetto-ed’ minorities</p>
<p>4. Outright religious persecution</p>
<p>5. Forced religious conversions</p>
<p>6. Vilification and demonisation of ethnic and religious minorities</p>
<p>7. The destruction of minority groups’ places of worship</p>
<p>8. Destruction of minority groups’ businesses</p>
<p>The Hitler- or Balkan-style &#8220;final solution&#8221; of outright killing and ethnic extermination usually takes years if not decades to happen. Ethnic cleansing does not require conscious planning by its perpetrators. The baser human tendency to divide our world view into &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them&#8221; is enough to do the job. All it needs are populist or demagogue politicians who appeal to our false sense of racial patriotism (such as keris-waving politicians) and superiority.</p>
<p>Many ordinary German survivors of the Second World War struggled to come to terms with how they were foolishly-led by the Nazi regime into perpetrating some of the worst crimes against their fellow citizens. The ordinary German citizenry certainly did not start the 1930s with the outright ambition to rid the world of inferior races including Gypsies, same-sex couples and Jews. But by the end of 1945, over 20 million people perished as a result of the war, of which six to eight million were victims of race-hatred killings).</p>
<p>Yes, there is no ethnic cleansing of the Indian community in the sense of a &#8220;final solution&#8221; where outright killing occurs, as some of Malaysiakini readers have correctly pointed out.</p>
<p>However, no one rules out that the current and previous administrations’ policies, unwittingly or not, can become precursors to more advanced phases of ethnic cleansing. In fact, the political power base of the past and present administrations are based on the toxic twin ideologies of ‘Ketuanan Melayu’ and Islam ideology. It is extremely unlikely that the present administration can undo any of these policies without undermining its very own political power.</p>
<p>Hence, it is understandable why Hindraf has made these &#8220;outrageous&#8221; claims. When the final solution arrives, it is too late. Just ask the surviving African Sudanese refugees in Darfur or the Tibetan exiles today. It is too late to ask the hundreds of thousands of Tutsis who were killed in the Rwandan genocide, and the Bosnian and Croats killed in the Balkan wars. It is certainly too late to ask the millions of Jews, Gypsies and other minority groups killed by the Nazis in the Second World War.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://jelas.info/2007/11/25/hindraf-rally-report/comment-page-2/#comment-80119</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pak Lah the time has come for you to walk the talk, since you claimed to be the P.M of all Malaysians.Now the Malaysian hindu demand equal and fair treatment, are you willing to listen and take corrective action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pak Lah the time has come for you to walk the talk, since you claimed to be the P.M of all Malaysians.Now the Malaysian hindu demand equal and fair treatment, are you willing to listen and take corrective action?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://jelas.info/2007/11/25/hindraf-rally-report/comment-page-2/#comment-79913</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This IGP spreading lies about hindu protesters are violent and connected to terrorist among malaysian chineses and malay, we all know that our hindu brothers are peaceful and  God fearing Malaysians, they are hoding Ghandi portrait and Malaysia flag to signify non-violence protest to have equal rights like other races and religious groups, why police have to brutalize them with tear gas and chemical lace water?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This IGP spreading lies about hindu protesters are violent and connected to terrorist among malaysian chineses and malay, we all know that our hindu brothers are peaceful and  God fearing Malaysians, they are hoding Ghandi portrait and Malaysia flag to signify non-violence protest to have equal rights like other races and religious groups, why police have to brutalize them with tear gas and chemical lace water?</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://jelas.info/2007/11/25/hindraf-rally-report/comment-page-2/#comment-79823</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HIndraf rally is an example of the failing policy of the present BN in alleviating the poorer segment of Indian population, they have reached their breaking point in the injustice they face daily in Malaysia.  Temple are destroyed every week in rubber estate settlement village to give way for big commecial interests,racist quota given to a particular race only in employment, education and housing, after all these years of living in poverty, they do not have much to lose now,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HIndraf rally is an example of the failing policy of the present BN in alleviating the poorer segment of Indian population, they have reached their breaking point in the injustice they face daily in Malaysia.  Temple are destroyed every week in rubber estate settlement village to give way for big commecial interests,racist quota given to a particular race only in employment, education and housing, after all these years of living in poverty, they do not have much to lose now,</p>
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		<title>By: LOUIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOUIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wake up malaysians why do you have to support liars and thieves who ripped off your freedom . if you want to lift up such people all the best to your future genaration . nabi saw says people who dont live up for the truth are KAFIR . UMNO  its your iresponsibility that cause the problems the country is facing today. dont blame the people . you been entrusted for the well being of all malaysians . you fucked up by breaking  the temples . no idiot will do that . if you wil allow imorals to govern this country then there s no bigger moron than YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wake up malaysians why do you have to support liars and thieves who ripped off your freedom . if you want to lift up such people all the best to your future genaration . nabi saw says people who dont live up for the truth are KAFIR . UMNO  its your iresponsibility that cause the problems the country is facing today. dont blame the people . you been entrusted for the well being of all malaysians . you fucked up by breaking  the temples . no idiot will do that . if you wil allow imorals to govern this country then there s no bigger moron than YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: GSK</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear brothers Khairul and Ismail, I&#039;m your indian brother trying to enlighten u a little on our country&#039;s racial status. Imagine we all are from the same family. If u dont want to consider i&#039;m ur brother just imagine that we all staying under the same roof. Every day u, me and another chinese brother wake up to find that u r getting briyani and we get mary biscuit for food. or just imagine its your own family and try treating your kids in a biased ways for 2 weeks. Your children will start grumbling. but when chinese brother and me make some noise for being treated in a same way for 50 years u threaten me with ISA.Is this fair my brother...? How long this country&#039;s peacefulness will last, if all of us living ill feelings and suspicion towards one another. Ihave had my open minded and hardworking malay frens complaining to me that this system is not fair. One of them who is gov. servant  told me that She does more work than her colleagues but she got rewarded just like her other lazy collegues, just because they all are Malays. She actually resigned her job after that. If people of similar race feel this unfair how would we feel??? If u r a rational person please think.. put yourself in our shoes. Educated Malays should come forward and start the revolution of rights for everyone and show the world we have a mature and thinking society who does not condone any form of injustice to the society. They should fight to throw away all those unqualifieds who are sitting in  high, higher and at highest posts just because they are bumi&#039;s. They should write back our nations history which has been severely manipulated. 
Dont keep asking us to pack up and go..just because the manipulated history u learned said that we all pendatang. Read the true history and dont live in DENIAL... Malays are pendatang too but came earlier than us.. Minangkabau..Bugis..Parameswara... whats their origin my dear brother. Tepuk dada tanya selera la....Some bumi putras came later than us just 30 -40 years ago ... U know selangor chiefs father...  Its ok just lets forget everything and fight for Bangsa Malaysia. Stop asking people to pack up.. Lets compete in a equal ground. Dont keep saying why so many Indian doctors... Majority of seats 95% given to Malays but half of them dont practice or quit early or join politics.. why?? The competent Malays are becoming endangered species due to all the privilige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear brothers Khairul and Ismail, I&#8217;m your indian brother trying to enlighten u a little on our country&#8217;s racial status. Imagine we all are from the same family. If u dont want to consider i&#8217;m ur brother just imagine that we all staying under the same roof. Every day u, me and another chinese brother wake up to find that u r getting briyani and we get mary biscuit for food. or just imagine its your own family and try treating your kids in a biased ways for 2 weeks. Your children will start grumbling. but when chinese brother and me make some noise for being treated in a same way for 50 years u threaten me with ISA.Is this fair my brother&#8230;? How long this country&#8217;s peacefulness will last, if all of us living ill feelings and suspicion towards one another. Ihave had my open minded and hardworking malay frens complaining to me that this system is not fair. One of them who is gov. servant  told me that She does more work than her colleagues but she got rewarded just like her other lazy collegues, just because they all are Malays. She actually resigned her job after that. If people of similar race feel this unfair how would we feel??? If u r a rational person please think.. put yourself in our shoes. Educated Malays should come forward and start the revolution of rights for everyone and show the world we have a mature and thinking society who does not condone any form of injustice to the society. They should fight to throw away all those unqualifieds who are sitting in  high, higher and at highest posts just because they are bumi&#8217;s. They should write back our nations history which has been severely manipulated.<br />
Dont keep asking us to pack up and go..just because the manipulated history u learned said that we all pendatang. Read the true history and dont live in DENIAL&#8230; Malays are pendatang too but came earlier than us.. Minangkabau..Bugis..Parameswara&#8230; whats their origin my dear brother. Tepuk dada tanya selera la&#8230;.Some bumi putras came later than us just 30 -40 years ago &#8230; U know selangor chiefs father&#8230;  Its ok just lets forget everything and fight for Bangsa Malaysia. Stop asking people to pack up.. Lets compete in a equal ground. Dont keep saying why so many Indian doctors&#8230; Majority of seats 95% given to Malays but half of them dont practice or quit early or join politics.. why?? The competent Malays are becoming endangered species due to all the privilige.</p>
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